Or would it be better if someone on the outside contacted the address above? If so, I can look into it ASAP for you and at least get a real true answer. I live too far away (East Coast) to hear much about the West Coast states unfortunately, but I would rather contact someone out there than even risk ASKING ANYONE ALL THE WAY OUT HERE because I cannot go on rumor alone and have hope. -CC
Donnie, I will be sending best wishes and prayers your direction strongly. Im also almost TOO MUCH of a realist myself, not to the point of being overly negative but I just remain realistic before getting too deep into a positive I am not sure of....I did not know you were also that way with thinking, perhaps thats why I had so much to say earlier (smile-yes I write alot apologies in advance for that cos when I do get access to the internet I catch up on everything that I can and just go keyboard crazy at times....haha). Is there any way you can contact via mail some people there in your state about this 2013 possibility? And find a concrete answer perhaps even from an attorney who can at least say over the phone or via mail that they do know of it being considered? -CC
PART TWO- then Im done, really haha! (smile) Here I go:
So yes, basically a "security guard" yet interacted with nobody, never met his own "company boss" in person was just CALLED and asked "Do you wanna work tonight?" (it was insane) plus in addition, Im not sure he would have known how to interact with anyone in a MATURE manner had he been in the situation where he was forced- such as sitting in the truck all night - nobody is working, nobody is awake to even talk to - yet he was just always parked in a lot and usually watching over big business buildings etc. He sat in his truck all night and drove around the property 1x or 2x during 6-9 hrs when not sleeping on the job of course, did not deal with people period yet he was going to be easily hired on at a medium security unit (???) AND quickly (although this is a family member very close that I speak of I know him all too well so Im sure of this)jump at being all liked and feeling accepted and included for once in life and wow, as a guard with other "people like him"....he wouldve picked up on the pack mentality rather than feel/think as the 1/4 of ex-guards around here who just cant do that to other people doing time in that unit (they want to let them do their time, leave them alone, yet they get pressured or bullied or set up even by their own "coworkers" which is just wicked) and eventually just actually feel in danger or actually get the vibes of being overall pushed out/forced to quit or they know what is coming- get set up when they wont "fall into place with the mean group", and it happens which you know.
We have only one max/supermax in the state and people actually prefer to be there and be left alone to do their own time, have access to jobs, activities, music, working out, more structure yet without ignorance from people who are supposed to be their "superiors" yet our other facilities all have this problem, some of these workers are younger than I am and Im not even 30 yrs old. So as for here, Ive heard it from way too many in the past 12-15 yrs- it seems I hear that only at the state pen can one truly settle in/fall into routine/expect less BS than theyd deal with at our many others, etc- cos the thing is, they really do just want to do their time even if its life and be at least not aggravated and harassed along the way. Is that too much to ask when they are already paying their dues to the max here? Sorry for long reply, I just feel you on this topic and hope the best for you and Im glad you are writing on here. Please keep it up. -Much Luv, CC
Donnie, I was glad to hear back from you and I agree with you once again. More than I could probably ever put into words on here haha. We have some serious problems here where I am from with guards, and I actually thought of your post the other day when (once again) one of our MANY state medium custody units needs workers ASAP (but also one of our states largest ones as well and overpopulated beyond belief) but I digress.....its so easy for me to get going on this subject because I truly know it from so many different views if that makes sense. Every side of the fence that could exist if possible Ive had to see it some certain way, but my mind has never altered on this topic: and its always confirmed by family/ friends/ retired officers/ retired sheriffs/ even along with retired "guards" including a female friend of mine that I knew who was fired from a facility for playing games basically, with a guy who was 22 yrs old serving his first bid ever for burglary and theft, and she was 41 yrs old and overnight guard on his unit. Mad about her life/job/ex husband everything and ruined his life as well. True story. And sad.
Anyway, the Eastern state CC is hiring AGAIN here and since its at night when they need the most "people" (just anybody, its the truth!) I know of someone who truly did get hired (thank God they did not stay and couldnt handle a night job/ 2nd job after all because I was not comfortable with this man working in a correctional environment no matter how well I know him, thats the point, he is drawn to the majority even when its cruel/wrong.....but hired all because he worked 3-4 little months (maybe less than 4 months if that) as a security/night watchman for buildings overnight, jobs he could just accept at a phone calls notice due to the very crazy and poorly ran security company he had worked for those MANY years ago, and then was also doing side security jobs watching tents/displays/set ups at the state fair or any other special event(s) such as the Derby etc- overnight. (part 1 end)
Prisoners on death row (or lifers, or those serving 25 years or more) are NOT like us on the outside. He is serving a sentence for a crime a jury determined he was guilty of.
To an extent, I agree the treatment should be humane but to say he or they are "just like us" really pisses me off.
RSS
So yes, basically a "security guard" yet interacted with nobody, never met his own "company boss" in person was just CALLED and asked "Do you wanna work tonight?" (it was insane) plus in addition, Im not sure he would have known how to interact with anyone in a MATURE manner had he been in the situation where he was forced- such as sitting in the truck all night - nobody is working, nobody is awake to even talk to - yet he was just always parked in a lot and usually watching over big business buildings etc. He sat in his truck all night and drove around the property 1x or 2x during 6-9 hrs when not sleeping on the job of course, did not deal with people period yet he was going to be easily hired on at a medium security unit (???) AND quickly (although this is a family member very close that I speak of I know him all too well so Im sure of this)jump at being all liked and feeling accepted and included for once in life and wow, as a guard with other "people like him"....he wouldve picked up on the pack mentality rather than feel/think as the 1/4 of ex-guards around here who just cant do that to other people doing time in that unit (they want to let them do their time, leave them alone, yet they get pressured or bullied or set up even by their own "coworkers" which is just wicked) and eventually just actually feel in danger or actually get the vibes of being overall pushed out/forced to quit or they know what is coming- get set up when they wont "fall into place with the mean group", and it happens which you know.
We have only one max/supermax in the state and people actually prefer to be there and be left alone to do their own time, have access to jobs, activities, music, working out, more structure yet without ignorance from people who are supposed to be their "superiors" yet our other facilities all have this problem, some of these workers are younger than I am and Im not even 30 yrs old. So as for here, Ive heard it from way too many in the past 12-15 yrs- it seems I hear that only at the state pen can one truly settle in/fall into routine/expect less BS than theyd deal with at our many others, etc- cos the thing is, they really do just want to do their time even if its life and be at least not aggravated and harassed along the way. Is that too much to ask when they are already paying their dues to the max here? Sorry for long reply, I just feel you on this topic and hope the best for you and Im glad you are writing on here. Please keep it up. -Much Luv, CC
Anyway, the Eastern state CC is hiring AGAIN here and since its at night when they need the most "people" (just anybody, its the truth!) I know of someone who truly did get hired (thank God they did not stay and couldnt handle a night job/ 2nd job after all because I was not comfortable with this man working in a correctional environment no matter how well I know him, thats the point, he is drawn to the majority even when its cruel/wrong.....but hired all because he worked 3-4 little months (maybe less than 4 months if that) as a security/night watchman for buildings overnight, jobs he could just accept at a phone calls notice due to the very crazy and poorly ran security company he had worked for those MANY years ago, and then was also doing side security jobs watching tents/displays/set ups at the state fair or any other special event(s) such as the Derby etc- overnight. (part 1 end)
To an extent, I agree the treatment should be humane but to say he or they are "just like us" really pisses me off.