I like your commentary on "Jesus and the Money Changers." You found some good points there, with regard to pacifism, etc. Thanks.
One other thing that I find interesting when I ponder those stories, is that the reports seem to be mentioned as isolated incidents. It doesn't sound like this was a habitual weekly thing, where every week, or every month, or however long it took for the "bums" to return, Jesus would have to pick up the ol' whip and drive them out again.
Later on in one of the gospels, when being arrested, Jesus says that He was regularly in the synagogues and everything he did was public, so it's not like Jesus was on vacation on the other weeks.
Maybe just once or twice was enough (some of the gospels mention this incident close to the crucifixion, others near the beginning of the ministry, so this could have happened twice). If so, then the moneychangers were more respectful of Jesus's authority than many of us these days.
The other idea that comes to mind was... maybe there was a rotating schedule for synagogue rabbi's to be "in charge" of the temple. This was the case for the high priest (note the story of the foretelling of John the Baptist), so maybe it was the case for other areas of the temple too. And if so, maybe Jesus had a turn, and when it was His turn, He drove out the money changers.
That's a lot of speculation, and it needs some research to see if there is any substance to it, but I bring it up because of one main point.
Jesus elsewhere told his disciples that they had to obey the teachers of the law because of the positions of authority that those teachers held. But he warned them not to be like them. There seems to be a delicate mix of authority and truth and rebuking and in the above case, semi-violent table tossing, when it comes to Jesus's teaching.
So when you recommend at the end of your post, "Get angry, overturn the money-changer's tables, save the animals, and throw the bums out!", maybe timing and authority have a place in when we do these things, at least when it comes to the property and persons of others.
Going through your posts, looks like I can't avoid the Biblical ones. (chuckle)
It is hard to tell if your post on "The price of statutory rape" is meant to be serious or not, or whether to poke fun at the Bible, or maybe to poke fun at the moral inconsistency of some.
What I find to be the most striking part of the passages you quote, is that premarital sex means a soon to be upcoming forced marriage for the couple. Which is an interesting power for women. If a virgin manages to seduce a man into having sex with her, she's got a guarantee that the marriage will occur, backed by the government!
If you're looking for justice, it's gotta apply to both sides.
I suspect this would cut down on extra-marital sex, if a man with no self-control suddenly found himself married to multiple wives that he had to support and could never divorce...
Just read the rant on Obama... some parts of your post were so true they were hilariously funny at the same time, mixed in with wry commentary on life. Very enjoyable, thanks!
Sorry, after that long screed in reply to "Private Judgment" I forgot to include the Bible reference I was trying to write about.
One story about how true it is that those in religious authority can deceive even the obedient can be found in 1 Kings 13. An older prophet deceiving a younger prophet, resulting in the younger prophet's death.
I reference that just to say, yes! "Inquire diligently" and search for the truth. Buy it and do not sell it.
I just read your recent post entitled "Private Judgment", which ends with the sentence: "Each man must follow his own reason and conscience in preference to the Bible or the church."
From what you write, I'm not sure if you are disregarding the Bible completely, or just encouraging critical and/or analytical thought while reading it. If the first, then I would disagree, since reason works better with all the facts. If the second, then I think you might be surprised to find that the Bible encourages thinking too.
One verse that I have found recently, which sheds a new light on the Bible, and Christianity in general, is 1 Thessalonians 5:21, which says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
This seems like common sense, and flies in the face of what most people assume to be religious teaching. People tend to assume that you have to "just go with it" and that questioning is automatically bad. But a faith worth anything must have practical results, and if practical results, then it can be proven as well.
You write earlier, "As an individual though I am more likely to be deceived by wicked and unscrupulous men when I put blind faith in a book on an institution than when I inquire diligently into a matter and judge the truth for myself."
The whole part of "inquiring diligently" sounds like it comes straight out of the book of Proverbs, at least to me. And there are indeed unscrupulous (or at least deceived themselves) men in the roles of religious authority. Inquiring diligently is a very good plan, to avoid being deceived right along with them.
But I'll close with this thought: If you were an almighty God that wanted to give the truth to people, how would you do it? Would you use nature? Would you use logic? Would you use reason? Would you use history? Would you use law? Would you use the written word? Would you use the spoken word? Would you use miracles? And how would you accomplish this while letting people say no to you if they wanted, and giving them the freedom to either seek you out or ignore you, as they chose?
I would say that God has used all of the above techniques through history. Some of those techniques have been impressive enough to record for future generations to learn and remember. And if you were that almighty God, would it not be possible for you to be powerful enough to make sure that enough truth existed through the ages, so that people who really wanted to, could find you?
Just some thoughts I thought I'd share. Thanks for your creative posts. Perhaps I'll have time to comment on some others as well.
Yes, he was "Mr. Perfect" to me years ago, and he still is. He is my best friend, and someone that I can truly trust and talk to for hours. Ray's a wonderful person, and it is strange to realize that he is where he is now. Society has its own turns and we get intermingled within it. We are not perfect, for that is who we are today.
In a very short time, I will finally get to see the person that I lost many years ago, and was searching for ever for. It has taken me over 5 plus years to find "Mr. Perfect".
I've never blogged before. I joined Between The Bars just to comment to you. I've read a few of the other blogs posted by others and yours stands out.
Yours are not only about who you are and your beliefs but about what's going on around the globe. But to be honest, I would much rather read your blog than the local newspapers.
I also read your profile…again, I must say, you write very well. Your writing makes a person go "hmmm…I never thought about it like that"
Keep up the AWESOME blogs! I'm looking forward to your next posting.
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One other thing that I find interesting when I ponder those stories, is that the reports seem to be mentioned as isolated incidents. It doesn't sound like this was a habitual weekly thing, where every week, or every month, or however long it took for the "bums" to return, Jesus would have to pick up the ol' whip and drive them out again.
Later on in one of the gospels, when being arrested, Jesus says that He was regularly in the synagogues and everything he did was public, so it's not like Jesus was on vacation on the other weeks.
Maybe just once or twice was enough (some of the gospels mention this incident close to the crucifixion, others near the beginning of the ministry, so this could have happened twice). If so, then the moneychangers were more respectful of Jesus's authority than many of us these days.
The other idea that comes to mind was... maybe there was a rotating schedule for synagogue rabbi's to be "in charge" of the temple. This was the case for the high priest (note the story of the foretelling of John the Baptist), so maybe it was the case for other areas of the temple too. And if so, maybe Jesus had a turn, and when it was His turn, He drove out the money changers.
That's a lot of speculation, and it needs some research to see if there is any substance to it, but I bring it up because of one main point.
Jesus elsewhere told his disciples that they had to obey the teachers of the law because of the positions of authority that those teachers held. But he warned them not to be like them. There seems to be a delicate mix of authority and truth and rebuking and in the above case, semi-violent table tossing, when it comes to Jesus's teaching.
So when you recommend at the end of your post, "Get angry, overturn the money-changer's tables, save the animals, and throw the bums out!", maybe timing and authority have a place in when we do these things, at least when it comes to the property and persons of others.
It is hard to tell if your post on "The price of statutory rape" is meant to be serious or not, or whether to poke fun at the Bible, or maybe to poke fun at the moral inconsistency of some.
What I find to be the most striking part of the passages you quote, is that premarital sex means a soon to be upcoming forced marriage for the couple. Which is an interesting power for women. If a virgin manages to seduce a man into having sex with her, she's got a guarantee that the marriage will occur, backed by the government!
If you're looking for justice, it's gotta apply to both sides.
I suspect this would cut down on extra-marital sex, if a man with no self-control suddenly found himself married to multiple wives that he had to support and could never divorce...
One story about how true it is that those in religious authority can deceive even the obedient can be found in 1 Kings 13. An older prophet deceiving a younger prophet, resulting in the younger prophet's death.
I reference that just to say, yes! "Inquire diligently" and search for the truth. Buy it and do not sell it.
From what you write, I'm not sure if you are disregarding the Bible completely, or just encouraging critical and/or analytical thought while reading it. If the first, then I would disagree, since reason works better with all the facts. If the second, then I think you might be surprised to find that the Bible encourages thinking too.
One verse that I have found recently, which sheds a new light on the Bible, and Christianity in general, is 1 Thessalonians 5:21, which says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
This seems like common sense, and flies in the face of what most people assume to be religious teaching. People tend to assume that you have to "just go with it" and that questioning is automatically bad. But a faith worth anything must have practical results, and if practical results, then it can be proven as well.
You write earlier, "As an individual though I am more likely to be deceived by wicked and unscrupulous men when I put blind faith in a book on an institution than when I inquire diligently into a matter and judge the truth for myself."
The whole part of "inquiring diligently" sounds like it comes straight out of the book of Proverbs, at least to me. And there are indeed unscrupulous (or at least deceived themselves) men in the roles of religious authority. Inquiring diligently is a very good plan, to avoid being deceived right along with them.
But I'll close with this thought: If you were an almighty God that wanted to give the truth to people, how would you do it? Would you use nature? Would you use logic? Would you use reason? Would you use history? Would you use law? Would you use the written word? Would you use the spoken word? Would you use miracles? And how would you accomplish this while letting people say no to you if they wanted, and giving them the freedom to either seek you out or ignore you, as they chose?
I would say that God has used all of the above techniques through history. Some of those techniques have been impressive enough to record for future generations to learn and remember. And if you were that almighty God, would it not be possible for you to be powerful enough to make sure that enough truth existed through the ages, so that people who really wanted to, could find you?
Just some thoughts I thought I'd share. Thanks for your creative posts. Perhaps I'll have time to comment on some others as well.
In a very short time, I will finally get to see the person that I lost many years ago, and was searching for ever for. It has taken me over 5 plus years to find "Mr. Perfect".
Soon we will reunite back to one.
I've never blogged before. I joined Between The Bars just to comment to you. I've read a few of the other blogs posted by others and yours stands out.
Yours are not only about who you are and your beliefs but about what's going on around the globe. But to be honest, I would much rather read your blog than the local newspapers.
I also read your profile…again, I must say, you write very well. Your writing makes a person go "hmmm…I never thought about it like that"
Keep up the AWESOME blogs! I'm looking forward to your next posting.
Letta :-)