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Just one more thing: You know what was what convinced me most that Christianity may be right with its teachings?
It was the scene at the crucifixion where Jesus said "forgive them, they don´t know what they´re doing". I mean, NO normal individual would have said such a thing, he? You see yourself what they´re often saying: An eye for an eye and so on. They want revenge. And you often want it too. Can´t imagine you praying that way for Warden Reddish or so. Let alone if you had been nailed to the cross and were dying slowly and cruelly. That´s not human, that´s divine. At least, that´s my opinion. That´s what I mean saying, for me, the spirit of the gospel says much more than possible slight contradictions with dates and so on.
You know, Ronnie, you have to keep in mind that it took some decades after Jesus´ death and resurrection until the gospel was written down. Before that, people only told their children and others about what had happened. Maybe you can imagine when Mark, Matthew, Luke and John asked people what they remembered, that they said "Jesus said he would build up the temple again in three days or on the third day or so". I think it´s very likely that they didn´t know the exact literal quotations anymore - or one remembered it correctly, the other one a little different. That´s probably why some scenes are slightly different - for example with the two criminals executed with Jesus: One gospel said they both mocked at him, one says one of the two showed remorse and asked Jesus for mercy. I suppose some people told the others "I only heard them mocking at Jesus too" - and others had heard the remorseful criminal whom the first ones didn´t pay any attention for.
That´s what I mean when I wrote to you I supposed you had been taught a typical Bible belt faith: Taking everything literal and as a kind of scientific....If there stands the world has been created in 6 days then that´s exactly what happened and as there were no dinosaurs mentioned, then there were no dinosaurs, and either you believe that completely or you say, "can´t be true at all" and make your "q.e.d" below it.
I have a more spiritual access to my faith. I´m keeping in mind how the gospels were written down, and for me, the most important is the spirit that radiates from the Bible. For me, the question is, can that be true, and my answer is yes. If there seem to be contradictions, they are probably caused by human mistakes in "delivering" everything to the next generations until it was written down.
(And as for the contradicition between the creationists and Darwin...I do believe in Darwin´s theory but I don´t believe it was all only by chance. Somewhere the bible says for God one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day...so that´s my explanation for the "six days"....and don´t take that literal again: Six times a thousand years means six thousand years..... The bible uses a lot of symbolic speech. When Jesus said we should forgive seven times seventy times, I don´t believe he meant you should make a notch into your bedpost every time you forgive and if your 490 are full, you don´t have to forgive anymore - but that quotation means "endlessly often - always". I hope you understand what I mean with the obvious difference in our understandings of the bible and faith. ;-) )
Thanks for writing! I finished the transcription for your post. Yes, this information is correct. There are, in fact, several petitions on change.org supporting the Barber amendment. This one has about a third of the signatures it needs so far. I've added my name.
Thanks for writing! I finished the transcription for your post. I hope the lockdown doesn't last much longer and you get a break from peanut butter and jelly on bread. (What if you have a nut allergy?)
Thanks for writing! I finished the transcription for your post.
I feel that I can really understand what you wrote about. It touched something inside of me because I know what that kind of endless loneliness can feel like.
I wonder if you're reading any good books at the moment which might give you with some of that excitement you're looking for?
You have been right - I like the two drawings here. ;-)
Well, Ronnie, it´s YOUR opinion that Jesus will not show up in flesh and blood because he is not God´s son. I believe otherwise and neither of your "arguments" is going to shake that belief. I´m quite good with the Bible myself so I know all that stuff that may seem as a proof that Christianity is not right but I have no difficulties in explaining that to myself so that´s absolutely no evidence against my faith.
No three days in the grave? No three full days, if you mean that. Good Friday - one day. Saturday - second day. Easter morning - part of the third day. No problem, no proof of not being right.
Well, as I already told you: I know you don´t want to believe in Jesus - so that´s okay with me. Just don´t write nonsense about God like that "cruel and playing around with us" stuff. Even if you don´t like me to compare my relationship with God with the one others (and I) have with our relatives and loved ones, I do compare it because that´s what it is for me. And I don´t like bad things to be spread about my loved ones - especially none that I believe to be not true.
Just one thing to think about.... if the apostles didn´t see Jesus alive after his execution but only lied about that or even were the ones to have stolen the corpse - do you really believe they would (all of them twelve! - as Judas Iskariot was replaced) have agreed to die as martyrs for that? Maybe one could argue they thought such a lie would have another effect but as soon as it became dangerous, every normal person would have stopped that lying....
I am talking about your story and many similar ones I had the chance to read through this blog, sharing them with my family and friends. I totally agree with you in spreading the information.
Can you please explain me this "beacon of democracy" expression? what do you mean by that?
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Just one more thing:
You know what was what convinced me most that Christianity may be right with its teachings?
It was the scene at the crucifixion where Jesus said "forgive them, they don´t know what they´re doing".
I mean, NO normal individual would have said such a thing, he?
You see yourself what they´re often saying: An eye for an eye and so on. They want revenge. And you often want it too. Can´t imagine you praying that way for Warden Reddish or so. Let alone if you had been nailed to the cross and were dying slowly and cruelly.
That´s not human, that´s divine.
At least, that´s my opinion.
That´s what I mean saying, for me, the spirit of the gospel says much more than possible slight contradictions with dates and so on.
Before that, people only told their children and others about what had happened.
Maybe you can imagine when Mark, Matthew, Luke and John asked people what they remembered, that they said "Jesus said he would build up the temple again in three days or on the third day or so".
I think it´s very likely that they didn´t know the exact literal quotations anymore - or one remembered it correctly, the other one a little different.
That´s probably why some scenes are slightly different - for example with the two criminals executed with Jesus: One gospel said they both mocked at him, one says one of the two showed remorse and asked Jesus for mercy. I suppose some people told the others "I only heard them mocking at Jesus too" - and others had heard the remorseful criminal whom the first ones didn´t pay any attention for.
That´s what I mean when I wrote to you I supposed you had been taught a typical Bible belt faith: Taking everything literal and as a kind of scientific....If there stands the world has been created in 6 days then that´s exactly what happened and as there were no dinosaurs mentioned, then there were no dinosaurs, and either you believe that completely or you say, "can´t be true at all" and make your "q.e.d" below it.
I have a more spiritual access to my faith.
I´m keeping in mind how the gospels were written down, and for me, the most important is the spirit that radiates from the Bible.
For me, the question is, can that be true, and my answer is yes.
If there seem to be contradictions, they are probably caused by human mistakes in "delivering" everything to the next generations until it was written down.
(And as for the contradicition between the creationists and Darwin...I do believe in Darwin´s theory but I don´t believe it was all only by chance. Somewhere the bible says for God one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day...so that´s my explanation for the "six days"....and don´t take that literal again: Six times a thousand years means six thousand years.....
The bible uses a lot of symbolic speech.
When Jesus said we should forgive seven times seventy times, I don´t believe he meant you should make a notch into your bedpost every time you forgive and if your 490 are full, you don´t have to forgive anymore - but that quotation means "endlessly often - always".
I hope you understand what I mean with the obvious difference in our understandings of the bible and faith. ;-) )
Yes, this information is correct. There are, in fact, several petitions on change.org supporting the Barber amendment. This one has about a third of the signatures it needs so far. I've added my name.
I hope the lockdown doesn't last much longer and you get a break from peanut butter and jelly on bread. (What if you have a nut allergy?)
I feel that I can really understand what you wrote about. It touched something inside of me because I know what that kind of endless loneliness can feel like.
I wonder if you're reading any good books at the moment which might give you with some of that excitement you're looking for?
Well, Ronnie, it´s YOUR opinion that Jesus will not show up in flesh and blood because he is not God´s son.
I believe otherwise and neither of your "arguments" is going to shake that belief.
I´m quite good with the Bible myself so I know all that stuff that may seem as a proof that Christianity is not right but I have no difficulties in explaining that to myself so that´s absolutely no evidence against my faith.
No three days in the grave?
No three full days, if you mean that.
Good Friday - one day.
Saturday - second day.
Easter morning - part of the third day.
No problem, no proof of not being right.
Well, as I already told you:
I know you don´t want to believe in Jesus -
so that´s okay with me.
Just don´t write nonsense about God like that "cruel and playing around with us" stuff.
Even if you don´t like me to compare my relationship with God with the one others (and I) have with our relatives and loved ones, I do compare it because that´s what it is for me. And I don´t like bad things to be spread about my loved ones - especially none that I believe to be not true.
Just one thing to think about....
if the apostles didn´t see Jesus alive after his execution but only lied about that or even were the ones to have stolen the corpse - do you really believe they would (all of them twelve! - as Judas Iskariot was replaced) have agreed to die as martyrs for that?
Maybe one could argue they thought such a lie would have another effect but as soon as it became dangerous, every normal person would have stopped that lying....
I am talking about your story and many similar ones I had the chance to read through this blog, sharing them with my family and friends. I totally agree with you in spreading the information.
Can you please explain me this "beacon of democracy" expression? what do you mean by that?
Many thanks,
Alma